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Diosy Pena
12/15/2014 08:15:29 am
At the turn of 20th century, blacks in the south faced many problems. There had been a lot of racial violence, race riots and disenfranchisement. Not to mention, they went through things like the Jim Crow laws, lynchings and just overall racism. Furthermore, stereotypes portrayed African Americans as brutish animals and inhuman for years, and many, wanted this to end. W.E.B Du Bois and Booker T. Washington were two of the many people who believed blacks should be treated fairly and deserved racial justice. Washington had done many things to bring about equality for his race. He had attained national prominence for his Atlanta Address of 1895. By doing this he attracted the attention of the public, not to mention politicians. He had played a dominant role in black politics. Washington gained the support of many African Americans, he also had a majority of rich, northern men supporting him. The support Washington was getting from whites later helped him with raising funds. This had resulted in helping to establish schools and others things for African Americans in the south. He believed that if blacks wanted to succeed in gaining equal social rights that they had “to demonstrate ‘industry, thrift, intelligence and property.’” W.E.B Du Bois did not agree with Washington’s ideas. He believed that if they wanted justice they needed to have a stronger tone of protest in order for blacks to gain their civil and political rights. Du Bois was much more upfront with what he thought was right and wrong when it came to racial violence and racism. He had created a journal called The Crisis, and worked as editor for the magazine. He also co-founded the NAACP. When the silent film The Birth of a Nation premiered, he and the NAACP led a fight to ban the film. It had a racist portrayal and viewed African Americans as “Brutish” and not to mention “lustful.” Du Bois had insisted on full civil rights and not to mention increased political representation. I believe that both men were right with how they were going at it in trying to better their race, but if I had to chose I would lean more towards Washington. He had done more in my opinion. He had the support of not only African Americans, but whites. This, I believe gave him an advantage, because it showed how he was not only appealing and gaining the attention of one side, but both. He made speeches and spoke kindly of whites, and did not portray them as the enemy, but as an ally. He had asked for both whites and blacks to join together. His work had also continued after his death. It had helped with getting African Americans a better education and a better life. What he had done might have not seemed like it had a large impact on the African American race, but it definitely helped better the lives of families, and helped prepare children for a better future. He had an impact on whites also in that they took his side. This had shown how much people wanted racial violence and racism all together to end from both ends.
Clare Tyler
12/15/2014 09:53:11 am
I believe WEB Du Bois had the best strategy. He had a more active approach and he was more clear and honest. He did all sorts of things. He didn't just use public speaking to get attention. He developed the group, The Talented Tenth. He also encouraged Blacks to get educated or write books. Change doesn't come if you just wait for it to come to you. You have to do something yourself.
John Gross
12/15/2014 08:48:43 am
Do you want us to explain our point of view or just state it
Mr. Husband
12/15/2014 09:37:35 am
State your point of view, and your reasoning, without speaking about the other. Additionally, you are only allowed to reply to like-minded posts. I want to save all the fighting for the ring tomorrow.
John Gross
12/15/2014 09:39:37 am
OK Thanks
John Gross
12/15/2014 10:11:43 am
In this I will side with Du Bois. I believe that the talented tenth had a lot of power to use in the fight to end racism. They had wealth to independently support newspapers, protests, advertisements, etc. They had a good reputation which got them powerful allies in the white elites. They also had the "useless" knowledge to lead a successful long-term campaign.
Jeffrey Gao
12/15/2014 10:26:15 am
I'm siding with Washington, but I really like how you expanded my knowledge about Du Bois. Your argument is very strong and hard to counter. Let's see what happens tomorow!
Jeffrey Gao
12/15/2014 10:28:00 am
Oh, sorry Mr. Husband, I just read that you wanted likeminded people to reply to each other. I'll reply to another later.
Mr. Husband
12/15/2014 10:33:46 am
Yes it was. And what you said what fine, Jeff. It was complimentary. I said no comments because I don't want to use this as a platform for sparring. I want you pugilists to save all of your energy for the ring.
Jeffrey Gao
12/15/2014 10:45:03 am
Oh ok, thank you for replying and explaining for me.
Aminah Islam
12/15/2014 11:11:07 am
Between W. E. B. Du Bois and Booker T. Washington, I would have to say that I would side with Booker T. Washington. This is because he had a more practical way of thinking for the African American community. He thought about the consequences that would affect his race if he tried to advance the African Americans too fast. The whites would most likely backlash them. Because of this, he avoided rational ways of portraying equality for African Americans. Instead, he used knowledge and education to advance the African American community. He made the whites allies, instead of enemies. He asked them for help in educating black people. As a result, many white philanthropists donated money for opening and supporting schools that were for the African American community. For example, William Henry Baldwin Jr., who donated large amounts of money to agencies. Because of this, small rural schools were established. Also, Washington made sure that the education that his race got was was done equally. This means that he wanted the whole African American community to have equal education. He didn't want only a few of them to be educated so that they could lead the race. Also, he did not want some African American to have more advantage than the rest. He wanted equality for all, even in their educations.
Jeffrey Gao
12/15/2014 11:14:52 am
Yes! I believe he also thought ahead about what would be the consequences and how poeple will react. Response is also very powerful.
David Eyo
12/15/2014 11:44:40 am
Yes Aminah! You make an excellent point about how Booker T. Washington was considerate about the consequences if this issue was rushed and could result in a white backlash. Nice response. I full-heartedly agree with you.
Monece Cooper
12/15/2014 12:18:27 pm
Yes Aminah, I so agree with you!!!!
Julie C.
12/15/2014 12:22:05 pm
I fully agree with your reasons for why you sided with Booker T. Washington. I agree that he would think of his actions and the consequences. It was also very helpful for Washington to become allies with both the African Americans and Whites.
Olivia Yonkman
12/15/2014 01:40:24 pm
I totally agree, Aminah. You go girl! Preach!
Sergio
12/15/2014 11:13:38 am
I feel like Du Bois had a better approach because he knew what he wanted. He knew what he wanted because he formed groups like the NAACP and the Niagara movement which helped blacks everywhere. He also made his ideas clearer for southerners to relate to. He wanted disfranchisement and lynchings to end. (racial violence) That was something that the southerners can relate to. Also, He was more honest in his decisions and ideas for the public to hear. I say this because he was not afraid of publicity and spoke up often to show what he really wanted.
VeneciaM
12/15/2014 11:27:47 am
YES!
Jeffrey Gao
12/15/2014 11:16:48 am
I sided with Booker T. Washington. I believe his plan was a lot more organized. He thought about the future and how his supporters would reply. Although whites were the black's "enemy", Washington's Atlanta Compromise Speech got ahold of many whites to help him out. They were predominantly in control in the South at the time. Washington's main goal was to keep the blacks were leaving the South. To do this, he had to create racial equality. He got part of his plan completed: he got the whites support, but that by itself wouldn't be the solution. Washington also believed that all blacks should have vocational education, or skill training education. He created the Tuskegee Institute for blacks for this education. He didn't want to create farmers, but he wanted to create teachers to teach the skills of these occupations. This would make a cycle from generation to generation. Teachers would teach the next generation and then the same would happen to that generation. This education would create a great foundation for his cause. From there, blacks could apply for my advanced occupations such as lawyers, doctors, and business owners. With all of the following ways of Washington's plan, it makes it organized and sensible. All of this make a successful plan leading to today's racial equality.
Naomi Hernandez
12/15/2014 01:58:02 pm
I agree with you Jeffers. I also think that his plan was organized. I like how he included whites and got them to agree with him.
Aminah Islam
12/15/2014 02:16:18 pm
Yes Jeffrey! Booker T. Washington's way allowed African Americans to advance in their daily lives, and then eventually get big jobs like lawyers and all that good stuff you stated above!
Jonathan Ojuri
12/15/2014 02:54:29 pm
i agree Jeffrey. Washington was the leader of the Tuskegee University, which helped Blacks advance through their lives and gave them education that would help.
Isaac Tracy
12/15/2014 11:22:09 am
I believe that Booker T. Washington had the best approach on how to benefit both Whites and Blacks. He wanted to rebuild the South to help out both the Whites and the Blacks. Rebuilding the South makes new homes for the Blacks and then the Whites won’t complain about all the space the Black would take up if they went to the North. The Blacks could have their own land and have their own responsibilities. Booker T. Washington had the right idea for the Blacks and Whites and was well respected by both.
VeneciaM
12/15/2014 11:24:38 am
I go with Du bios, Du bios had made racism his polemic, getting him one step closer to reaching his goals which were the same as Washington's, racism was the main cause of the conflict going on in the south.Du bios had insisted on FULL civil rights and he had focused on the people had tried to get justice for,in other words he did not need the support of whites back then,he was independent along with the African american race.
John Gross
12/15/2014 11:44:34 am
I agree with the independence factor. Du Bois made it clear what he wanted by showing he and his Talented Tenth was going solo.
Melita
12/15/2014 12:51:06 pm
I agree with what you said in this response and what John said in his comment. By going for what he wanted without the help of white allies, Du Bois helped show how smart and independent the African American race really was. Also, the fact that Du Bois insisted on full civil rights showed that he wasn't playing around and was serious about leading the blacks and whites to equality.
Madelyn Perez
12/15/2014 12:02:39 pm
Between 1897 and 1940 African Americans had to fight to “make a way out of no way.” After the Civil War, African Americans really had no rights or equality compared to whites. Eventually stereotypes were created that were derogatory toward African Americans. They were also accused of many things just because of the color of their skin, and because of the way they were portrayed in American society. In Tulsa, Oklahoma a black man was accused of raping a white female even though it was never proven. After that accusation was made, white mobs rioted in protest, destroying black neighborhoods in Tulsa. During these riots, and afterward, many black leaders spoke out and wrote about the rights of blacks. One of these people was W.E.B Du Bois, an American sociologist, historian, civil-rights activist, and pan-Africanist-- someone who helps the movement for the political union of all the African nations and people. He was also an author, editor, and co-founder of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), a group that works on eliminating racial hatred and racial discrimination for all people. He was also the leader of the Niagara Movement, a black civil rights organization founded in 1905, led by Du Bois and William Monroe Trotter.
Monece Cooper
12/15/2014 12:07:39 pm
Even though W.E.B. Du Bois and Booker T. Washington had similar ideas to ending racial violence, I feel like Washington had a better approach in handling it. First of all he had the support of whites and blacks which truly benefited him in making schools to help educate the black community. He also wanted people to stay in the south so that they can all help rebuild it and both black and white could own some land and just one race. He also didn't just want some of the black community to be educated and lead their race forward like Du Bois wanted but he wanted the whole race to be educated so that they can all have a chance in life to succeed at something great.
Julie C.
12/15/2014 12:08:07 pm
I sided with Booker T. Washington. Washington had a more organized plan to obtain education and equality for the African Americans without affecting their lives too much. He became the leader of the Tuskegee Institute. Becoming the leader, he was able to give all(or at least most) the African Americans in the South education. With the help of the his White supporters, the money donated was used to build small schools for the African Americans. Washington had supporters from both the African Americans and Whites. Instead of trying to "fighting" for their equality, he chose to become friends with the whites and knew that it takes time to earn something(equality). In his Atlantic Compromise Speech, he told the African Americans and whites "to cast down their buckets" and become friends. Not to fight each other or thing of each other as enemies, but as friends. Becoming friends with the Whites, Washington was also able to do more things. From the money given by many of the rich white supporters, he was able to use the money to build many small schools for the African Americans. Washington also thought about the consequences of his actions. He knew that confrontation would lead to disasters for the African Americans because they were basically outnumbered. He also knew that confrontation would mean losing the support from the Whites, which he knew was very helpful.
Jason H.
12/15/2014 12:50:32 pm
I agree 100% I like how you pointed out that he thought about consequences. I should've put that but oh well.
Nicole Cepeda-Merhi
12/15/2014 12:51:53 pm
I agree with you Julie. Washington's plan was very organized and thought out. Also, he did make allies with the whites which was a big advancement, in my opinion.
Jason H.
12/15/2014 12:45:46 pm
I see Booker T Washington having a better strategy. This was said before but what i like about his plan is that he actually includes whites in his plan. He tries to not anger the whites, and even tries to have them as friends instead of enemies. Putting the whites in your plans can eventually help because the whites will eventually see that blacks are good, and that they want to help the government
Jason H.
12/15/2014 12:48:22 pm
I accidentally pressed the submit button, but to finish. they want to help the government and then they will consider blacks to help. He also wants to rebuild the South which helps the whites also see that Washington, being a black person wants to help, and maybe this can also effect their decision.
Melita
12/15/2014 12:47:53 pm
I feel like W.E.B. Du Bois had the most practical strategy for ending racial discrimination, violence, and disenfranchisement in the south. Du Bois focused on the people he was actually trying to get justice for. He did not need white allies in order to make his point. He also insisted on full civil rights and did not want to make agreements/compromises with the white Americans, relating to what I said before. Du Bois did not need approval or help from the blacks to succeed because him and his race did it all on their own. Let’s take a look at Du Bois’s plan. He organized a group called the Talented Tenth that was made up of 10% of the black population. The people in this gifted group would learn classical skills which provide you with more mental knowledge than physical, unlike the schools Booker T. Washington advocated for. The larger part of the black community would support this talented group and in return, they’d help lead the whole race forward. Now does this plan not sound organized and achievable? It does. All of the steps to his plan are clearly laid out in this mere paragraph. One would not be able to do so if Du Bois’s plan was a mess. Also, notice how in his plan, Du Bois does not once refer to the whites or ask for help from the white community. His priorities lie with helping the black community achieve equality and his plan shows just that. By getting us closer to the end of racism without the help of white allies, Du Bois could have shown the white community how smart and productive African-Americans really are.
Olivia Pereira
12/15/2014 01:05:46 pm
That is similar to what I said because he was so much more hands on than Washington. "Actions speak louder than words." Although, he could talk for hours about what he wanted, he never backed up what he said with actions. That is what W.E.B. Du Bois did though! His main target was to help the blacks, he didn't worry about the white communities.
Maximiliano Rodriguez
12/15/2014 01:19:01 pm
Leave it to the ring! ^
Musah Sesay
12/15/2014 12:57:11 pm
I believe that W.E.B Du Bois was the "righter" of the two. W.E.B. Du Bois challenged Washington's views, though they shared a similar goal. He argued that Washington's views encouraged white separatists and limited opportunities for African Americans. He believed that African Americans should have the opportunity of higher education, and should fight for their civil rights, rather than waiting for those rights to be granted after economic equality had been achieved.
Musah S. cont.
12/15/2014 01:02:26 pm
Du Bois' plan seemed more feasible and achievable to Black southerners because it required no help from Whites, and portrayed Blacks as civil human beings. His plan was did not rely on manual/menial labor as much as Washington's did, and it was not as passionate about male suffrage.
Olivia Pereira
12/15/2014 01:01:58 pm
I think W.E.B. Du Bois had the best strategy because he was a more direct person with many plans, such as the “talented tenth”, the south could relate to him because of his clear intentions, and he had a better philosophy and idea of what he wanted to do. The "talented tenth" is a term used to describe the probability of one out of every ten black men becoming leaders of their race from their education, writing books, or becoming involved in social change. He believed that blacks needed a classical education to be able to reach their full potential, rather than the industrial education made by Booker T. Washington. He saw this type of education as the core for your mind. There was also the Niagara Movement of 1906, when Du Bois and others wrote a declaration of principles opposing the Atlanta Compromise. They wanted to show their ideas to other African Americans, but most black periodicals were owned by publishers sympathetic to Washington. W.E.B. created so many movements, compared to Booker. Along with those movements, he had other clear intentions. His main targets were lynching, discrimination, and Jim Crow laws. He also had a more short and precise philosophy, he wanted equal rights for blacks. It is obvious what he wanted and he made sure everyone knew, unlike Booker T. Washington who basically just talked a lot about things, instead of physically getting involved.
Nicole Cepeda-Merhi
12/15/2014 01:20:45 pm
I believe that Booker T. Washington had the more feasible strategy for ending discrimination against blacks. Washington had an organized and well thought out plan. Not only did he involve the participation of the entire race, unlike Du Bois, but he believed that by educating the race in vocational skills, they would be one step closer to ending racial discrimination. Washington became allies with whites instead of enemies. He mentioned in his Atlanta Compromise speech that the two races should "cast down their buckets" and become friends. With the money given by his white allies, including Anna T. Jeanes, who donated one million dollars to the rebuilding of schools in the South for black children, Henry Huttleston, who joined in on his plan, and Julius Rosenwald who helped build over four thousand schools for blacks, Washington developed a well organized and strategized plan for ending racial discrimination.
Jonathan Ojuri
12/15/2014 02:52:10 pm
I agree with you and liked how you gave good and strong reasons on why you thought Washington was the better chose.
Olivia Yonkman
12/15/2014 01:39:22 pm
I side with Booker T. Washington. I think that his approach of trying to polite and peaceful to the whites. This enforces his idea of cooperation between the races. Cooperation=equality. I think that Washington's more calm way of approaching equality was better digested by the whites than Du Bois's more harsh literary approach. Washington was able to speak to the whites in a way that made blacks seem less of a threat. Washington believed equality was was able to be reached if the whites simply opened up the the African Americans and helped him. His ideas were just generally more easy to carry out. This makes his idea more right.
Naomi Hernandez
12/15/2014 01:45:48 pm
I personally am siding with Booker T. Washington because, for starters he seemed like he knew what he was doing and when he was going to do it. (That might be a little confusing. I don't know.) He also wanted an agreement of some sort. Instead of treating whites like the enemies of blacks, which they were, he treated them like their opinion mattered. Thus making his ideas receive the approval of both races. He tried to make a negotiation between the two, which would eventually end with him getting what he wanted, the equality of blacks and whites in 20th century United States of America.
Maximiliano Rodriguez
12/15/2014 01:50:37 pm
Booker T. Washington was the rightest for me. I think he was the rightest for a few reasons. First, he took his time to do things the right way and the correct way. Second, he knew how to speak in public very well. This let him get many white allies which helped him to reach his goals. Finally, he made the Atlanta compromise. The Atlanta Compromise is a compromise were “Southern blacks would work meekly and submit to white political rule, while Southern whites guaranteed that blacks would receive basic education and due process in law. Blacks would not agitate for equality, integration, or justice, and Northern whites would fund black educational charities.”
David Eyo
12/15/2014 01:54:06 pm
I agree that Booker T. Washington was the "rightest" too.
Jonathan Ojuri
12/15/2014 02:49:50 pm
I believe Booker T. Washington had the better strategy and plan for earning Blacks their equal rights. He was a very organized man. which is key to a good strategy. Washington was the leader of Tuskegee University and it was an all Black school. Tuskegee University was a very successful school because it educated many Blacks and some parts were actually built by them sch as barns, classrooms, and other buildings that were for the use of school. Tuskegee University taught Blacks important lessons and necessities that they would use in their life. Washington says that the only way of Blacks getting their equal rights and being citizens was by them demonstrating “industry, thrust, intelligence, and property." Tuskegee University was only one of Washington;s plans. Another plan of Washington's was allying with powerful businessmen and rich white politicians to help him with the funds of his plan. Washington earned the respect of many white politicians and many industry leaders, which got him large amounts of money for his plan to free Blacks from segregation, give them education and end discrimination against Blacks. Washington also gave many speeches that were heard to many people about what he wanted for the future of Blacks to get. I thought he fought hard for what he thought was right and what he wanted. This is why I chose Booker T. Washington over W. E. B. Du Bois.
David Eyo
12/15/2014 02:52:08 pm
I think that Booker T. Washington had the most practical approach to end racism in the South. He came up with the philosophy that blacks would submit to white rule in return for whites to help fund some schools and black education. In other words, Booker T. Washington planned to strengthen the black community. A weak community is a dead community. This plan that Washington had was agreed upon by whites. That was another smart thing that Washington chose to do that Du Bois opposed. Having the people they are battling, in this case white men, on the side of blacks. That was a smart philosophy to have whites agree with Washington because during this time period, white people basically controlled society. Also, like Olivia Yonkman said, cooperation between races equals equality and that was exactly the kind of message that Booker T. Washington was advocating. Having the most socially influential group fight alongside blacks who supported Washington was genius. This plan was what would be able to end racism in the South. The compromise that white people agreed to was called the Atlanta Compromise. This time around, I'm siding with Booker T. Washington. It just make sense to side with a person who has his or her thoughts organized. Du Bois gave some speeches here and there, but he was mainly more about strikes and protests. He even wanted to start riots. Du Bois might have been more straight forward, and I will give him props for that, but he was being what the whites had said African Americans were to be: brutish animals. All those strikes and protests were only supporting the stereotype that African Americans were brutes. Washington, however, had a more peaceful approach. He didn't depend on strikes and protests to gain the respect of whites. Instead, he wanted African Americans to rise in power through hard work and effort. This would prepare them later on because when they got their rights, they would have to work to make money. If they knew they needed to put effort and work hard, it would help them during their jobs. Also, Washington's plans didn't just stop after one generation. His teachings were passed on and made the other generations of African Americans have the knowledge to teach the newer generations. This cycle could continue and would make African Americans smarter allowing them to have better paying jobs. This would allow them to rise in status and would eventually get them to where they are today. Also, he became allies with whites rather than protesting against them and making them mad. This would help them in the long run and would create a friendly bond with blacks and whites. Why does this matter? It matter because you can't make someone respect or love something they don't like. If African Americans were on friendly terms with whites, it would allow them to gain their rights easier than they would if they were enemies with whites. This would eventually make African Americans successful and equal to whites. Present day is the evidence.
Jalen
12/15/2014 03:29:33 pm
I sided with Booker T. Washington on who I thought had better plan. He gave many African Americans education to improve the race. He built many small schools and he led the Tuskegee University. He had many White alllies who supported him and help make the schools. I agreed that they should build schools for African Americans as a step to improve the race because there were no schools before to teach them. They had to learn on their own time or someone willing to teach them. By building teachers, there could more schools to teach more African Americans. This would help to get the acceptance from Whites in south. 10/11/2022 12:15:52 am
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